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      Default The Nag Hammadi Library and Conscious, Enlightened Jesus

      Is anyone reading The Nag Hammadi Library, particularly for this topic's beginning...The Gospel of Thomas?

      The Gospel of Thomas Judas (the Twin) is a collection of "the sayings of Jesus," and if you read those sayings from a place of Consciousness, it is very clear that the speaker is one who is Enlightened.

      Further intrigue can be realized in the reality that, given that these "sayings of Jesus" are rooted in Universal physics, mathematics, multidimensionality, etc., that quantum physics (likewise rooted in the same) should then have been available to his era! The sayings could not be said if so many other truths and realizations of life had not been accessed, at least within the speaker.

      The Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of ancient documents (books) found in the 1940s in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, which date back to, and can be traced back to, the time of Jesus and shortly thereafter. Written in Coptic, which is a successor of Egyptian hieroglyphics, these are the missing gospels that were banned from the bible and made illegal, primarily for political purposes at the time of the banning (around the year 312, by Constantine).

      These are extremely interesting and intriguing to read, and they confirm what most Enlightened Ones have rightfully assumed all along...that the historical Jesus was a regular, everyday man like any other, but who happened to be likewise Enlightened, and that that is what he was trying to teach. Unfortunately, as he still would be nowadays, he was seriously misinterpreted and Christianity was born of that misinterpretation.

      I've been studying the Coptic language, which is a lot of fun to do, particularly because it is fun to read precisely what the ancients wrote in their own language.

      Anyone here reading the Nag Hammadi Library, particularly the Gospel of Thomas Judas the Twin?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MystEerieUsOne View Post
      they confirm what most Enlightened Ones have rightfully assumed all along...that the historical Jesus was a regular, everyday man like any other, but who happened to be likewise Enlightened, and that that is what he was trying to teach. Unfortunately, as he still would be nowadays, he was seriously misinterpreted and Christianity was born of that misinterpretation.
      This has been my own personal belief for many, many years ...

      Anyhoo ... I have not heard of these books until now and they certainly do seem intriguing ... with ancient wisdom within it's words.

      And it's amazing further still, that this knowledge managed to survive and esacpe from being destroyed like the Library of Alexandria, which sadly fell victim to hands and ego-manic mind of Julius Caesar.

      I will have to look into this ... thanks Mysty and it's nice seeing you again!!
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      Default Nag Hammadi Library - The Sayings of Jesus

      Thanks, and I agree...

      The simplest explanation tends to be the right one...and correct, too!

      Here is some of the beginning of the Nag Hammadi Library's Gospel of Thomas ("the Sayings of Jesus"). While I have various books on these, the following is taken from "The Gospel of Thomas, (The Hidden Sayings of Jesus)" by Marvin Meyer. Elaine Pagels is also another professor whose work focuses on these.

      The Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of actual bound books that were stashed in large urns and buried over 1600 years ago, believed to have been put there when Constantine made the dozens of existing gospels other than Mathew, Mark, Luke and John illegal and ordered them destroyed. It is believed those who stashed them were trying to preserve them until a time came when the world could handle the truth. These gospels were copied from earlier texts, as it was the norm at the time to copy texts over and over again, and dating them was made easier by their being referenced in various other texts that were already known. These Gospels of Thomas were referenced back to the first century.

      Everything between the lines is thousands of years old...in every analogy!

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      These are the hidden sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Judas Thomas the Twin recorded.

      1 And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

      2 Jesus said, "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until one finds. When one finds, one will the troubled. When one is troubled, one will marvel and will reign over all."

      3 Jesus said, "If the leaders say to you, "Look, the kingdom is in heaven,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.

      "When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you dwell in poverty, and you are poverty."

      4 Jesus said, "The person old in days will not hesitate to ask a little child of seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be the last, and will become a single one."

      5 Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed."

      6 His followers asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"

      Jesus said, "Do not lie, and do not do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered that will remain undisclosed."

      7 Jesus said, "Blessings on the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And cursed is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion will become human."

      8 And he said, "Humankind is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea and with no difficulty chose the large fish. Whoever has ears to hear should hear."

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      ** In multidimensional language (Universal physics), "father" is the world outside oneself, one's entire environment "out there." It is not a reference to an anthropomorphized being.
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      If you guys want to play at interpreting these, I'll keep adding more, as I have the time. There are 114 altogether.

      If anyone else has them, please feel free to add them here as well, for everyone to decipher. : ) It would be really interesting to see how folks perceive these, one by one.

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      I appreciate what you've posted here Myst, and would appreciated additional posts.
      I've heard of these but haven't read them myself.
      I do 'feel' the truth remains the truth irregardless of the time or laguage it may be spoken in.
      Ty again.


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      Yes, these are not only incredibly intriguing, but they resolve and reveal the truth behind a universal and global issue, or at least could, if only people knew how to apply them appropriately. I have seen and heard and read some attempts at translations of them by actual academic scholars who still don't know how to hear them multidimensionally themselves, and so they themselves go on to further the "mystical" madness.

      For instance, "father" is still being interpreted by some as an actual Divine Being, with magical powers and omnipotence. Father is a masculine physics dynamic of a nonlinear, mathematical, translucent world. Ancient languages often used masculine and feminine terms to define, refine and delineate, but they were not meant to be taken so literally!

      Apparently, Jesus was a man of his time who saw through the chaos so many were creating for themselves, and he set out to wake people up. For some reason, though, he chose to speak of himself as if *the* Core of it All, which is somewhat accurate in the physics because ANY point in the universe can be used as that Core, with everything falling into place as if a giant meditation group around it! Problem is, they not only didn't grasp his intent, but he didn't expand that Core away from himself enough for people to process it in terms of themselves and everyone and everything else. He did make a lot of references to the physics on a generalized basis, and very creatively, but they obviously got so lost they turned him into more than what he was, and/or that he was trying to express.

      Unfortunately, all that did was serve to confuse and frighten a world unable to process where he was attempting to come from. Just as Constantine rendered the Enlightenment-related gospels (basically, personal accounts) of what happened illegal in the year 312 AD, partly for political reasons, in an attempt to unite a chaotic society, likewise Jesus, the man on a mission to wake people up by using himself as the Core of it ALL, perhaps inadvertently rendered the universal truth he was trying to share soooo complex and unapproachable that most didn't stand a chance of understanding him, or it! The result of either and both of these men established a world so lost in itself that billions upon billions of people have suffered and died as a result.

      Academics and others with a voice in this world need to get it right, finally, before the world of humans goes on for thousands more years of hating and killing!

      My interest in studying languages used by ancients over the years has not been to speak them, but rather to hear and understand the people behind them, and also to grasp how people processed their world and their language, and language in general, in their own time. For instance, how we, nowadays, hear the expression "horsepower" is VERY different than how it was heard and used a couple hundred years ago! So, that type of changing referencing also needs to be taken into consideration.

      The Nag Hammadi Library also exists, in parts, in Greek, and even then one scribe heard more than another, in their copying and recopying the gospels by hand.

      Either way, the universal truth does remain the same, and while many Eastern writings preceded these by thousands of years (with Jesus suspected of having studied what would have been "ancient" even to himself in his time, in Buddhist monasteries, for instance), every attempt to reveal it remains a similar attempt...with similar results, unfortunately!
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      Good food for thought. Thank you for sharing Myst.


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      I decided to play with interpreting these. I'll add more as I can. Please feel free to interpret them yourselves as you choose to.

      Soooo super tired and worn out and sore today, after going shopping yesterday for hours and hours. Didn't feel it til I got home and collapsed, exhausted. I feel like I've run the longest marathon, moving at about the pace of a turtle today. Hope I'm making sense here.


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      These are the hidden sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Judas Thomas the Twin recorded.

      1 And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

      Myst: This refers to the universe's being nonlinear, such that past and future, and future and past, cancel each other out, in a reflective universe of opposing forces, leaving only Eternal Now, making death an impossibility, energy wise, leaving only *change.*

      2 Jesus said, "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until one finds. When one finds, one will the troubled. When one is troubled, one will marvel and will reign over all."

      Myst: Everything we do in life is motivated by our need to return ourselves to the Core Truth of our Beingness, our very Existence. If one moves right, one is motivated to go left. If one goes up, one is motivated to go down. The Truth "lies" (see?!) *in the middle.* (That means that the perfectmost state is at the Core, but to live life itself, distraction from that perfectmost Core Truth is required! We have to project to live, but all life is the state of trying to learn how to unproject ourselves back to that perfectmost Core truth of our inherent Universal Truth!) So, everyone is motivated toward the restoration of their *balanced Core* they distracted themselves from. The more successful one is in restoring that balance, the more one is removed from convention (what everyone else is doing), but the rarity of genuine Enlightenment in society leaves the person feeling "left out," and "no longer fitting in." (This is because we are always motivated to the opposite of where we *are,* because the opposites act like a sodium-potassium pump of life that *causes* all "motivation" to begin (and end) with!). The natural, inherent, social (but becoming Conscious) being goes through an inescapable angst of isolation, and it is kind of like discovering there is no Santa Claus after a lifetime (til that point) of being led otherwise. Suddenly, everything one was living seems like a lie, and all one's vested interests in life, including traditions and meaningfulnesses, are seemingly gone. That is why "one will be troubled." But then, one "marvels" at the sheer beauty of it All, *realizing* the bigger picture, seeing the patterns of life, the multidimensionality, etc., where everything suddenly has an Answer. Having "this much information" leaves one with the genuine ability to "reign over all," because one/One is then fluent in the inherent Nature and Core of ALL beings, and all Existence.

      3 Jesus said, "If the leaders say to you, "Look, the kingdom is in heaven,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.

      Myst: Consciousness is a timeXspace relativity alteration, such that a Conscious One is quicker than an Unconscious one to process the Universe in the moment. Animals like birds and fish don't get lost in artificial convention. If people project unconsciously, the birds and fish, etc., truly reign over them. Case in point: animals *know* to get themselves to higher ground when they detect an earthquake and/or tsunami, while humans are too distracted to *even* notice! Animals keep their *even-ness!* (Their inherent *balance!*)

      "When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you dwell in poverty, and you are poverty."

      Myst: Everyone outside yourself is an aspect of yourself. They are, however, also beings in their own right, in search of Consciousness (Core restoration of balance). If one is Conscious, one holds what others are searching for, and they know inherently, if not Consciously, of that Core, meaning their hearts and brains *remember,* even if they don't! "Children of the living father" means, in physics, the distracted in search of universal truth, the self-projecting selfish in search of a selfless environment. (In ancient languages, such as Sanskrit, the mathematical patterning of the Universe, which is also of ourselves, is inherently built into the language to guide the soul. Left and right are brother and sister/masculine and feminine values, within and without are female and male/mother and father values. "Father" in this "saying" would then refer to the world outside oneself. However, with everything in the Universe, including the Universe itself, having no escape from the consistent laws of Nature, that of being *energy* driven, that *energy* cycles around and around, so Jesus was referring to his patriarchical era, making the masculine one's external environment overall, the feminine within. But in another era, such as much earlier in history, (in what would have been "the ancients" to Jesus, in his own time), the matriarchy would have "reigned" over all. If you apply the rules of "eternal Now" (past and future and future and past canceling each other out, into eternal now" then you can see that ULTIMATELY, the Universe is an androgynous (patriarchyXmatriarchy) exchange, so... the anthropomorphized beingness of it all gets to be female half the time. In other words, they are both right when left to Truth! Jesus, then, was half right.

      4 Jesus said, "The person old in days will not hesitate to ask a little child of seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be the last, and will become a single one."

      Myst: Here again, in a nonlinear universe of opposite energy exchanges, the young (child) and the old (adult) are reflections of each other. When you are fluent in multidimensional language and math, you can see that the analogies of your own infancy and childhood are parallels of ancient history! YOUR ancient history!

      5 Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed."

      Myst: Universal Truth has never been hidden from anyone, but they themselves hide it from themselves, when they don't want to hear, and don't want to see, much of that being motivated by the need to maintain one's vested interests created through life (no matter how wrong or misguided those interests may be), and also out of fear. Ultimately, eventually, everyone will run into themselves, like it or not, because that's just how the physics of the Universe works. Also, when you do *realize* the truth of the Universe, you also *realize* it applies to everybody, everything, every event and object, every whatever, without escape or exception.

      6 His followers asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"


      Myst: Asking Jesus is, in itself, unconscious projection.


      Jesus said, "Do not lie, and do not do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered that will remain undisclosed."

      Myst: The Universe cannot be lied to. It *knows*/*realizes* (to anthropomorphize it) everything...about everyone, so distractions and attempts at denial are no escape. There is no escape.

      7 Jesus said, "Blessings on the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And cursed is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion will become human."

      Myst: This is Jesus's Buddhist influence...the belief in, of all things Christian taken from him, evolution, and the survival of the fittest. Humans are believed to be higher on the food and intelligence chain, evolution wise (meaning, in keeping everything going on the projection side of Existence) so if a human eats a lion, the lion becomes part of that human and rises to a higher place. But if the human is the one eaten by the lion, the human has gone down in rank, and the lion rises to a higher level of Existence for having conquered the human. The overall point being made is about evolution (Existence/life away from the perfectmost Core) to a more perfected place (as perfect as projected life could be taken).

      8 And he said, "Humankind is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea and with no difficulty chose the large fish. Whoever has ears to hear should hear."


      Myst: This is a Gestalt-like "the whole is more than the sum of its parts" kind of thing. It is much better to see the overall picture, than to attend to little bits and pieces of life that don't provide the answers and appropriate direction in life. When we go "fishing" for answers in life, we need the answer that applies to everything (space) in the shortest amount of time. If we choose a little fish, or several little fish, we don't see the answer that applies to all, leaving us with always something bigger, something more, to learn. But *even* for an Enlightened One, life requires moving away from the pinnacle/Core truth. It's just that the Enlightened One doesn't get so distracted that he or she forgets "Zen mind, beginner's mind," which means a constant conscious return to the Core, never venturing too far away, never getting lost, to again and again *realize* one's projections for what they are, as a refresher of Universal Truth.

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      Interpreting some of the Greek version:

      1-4: (26) and then you will see
      in order to cast out the splinter
      which (is) in the eye
      of your brother."
      (Cf. NHC II, 38: 12-17)

      Myst: "Brother" is the physics language of intelligence, knowledge, left brain, masculine left.

      If one has a "splinter" in one's eye (aka one's intelligence or reasoning), one is unable to clearly see the truth.



      4-11: (27) Said
      Jesus: "If you do not fast
      to the world, you will not
      find the kingdom
      of God; and if you do not
      make the sabbath a sab-
      bath, you will not see the
      Father."
      (Cf. NHC II, 38: 17-20)

      Myst: Here, "fast" means to allow oneself to separate oneself from being totally consumed by unconscious convention and its expectations (the collective unconscious, as Jung would later call it). "Sabbath" means a day away from that unconscious projection, a day of rest away from it, away from contributing to it further.

      Therefore, if one allows oneself to maintain a time away from the collective unconscious world of convention and its many expectations, one will be uncluttered enough to *realize* oneself back to the Core Universal Truth and will not get lost.


      11-21: (28) Jesus said: "I s[t]ood
      in the midst of the world,
      and I appeared to them in flesh,
      and I found them all
      drunken, and
      I found not one thirst-
      ing among them, and pain-
      ed is my soul over
      the sons of men,
      for they are blind in their heart
      and do [not] se[e ..]
      (Cf. NHC II, 38: 20-31)

      Myst: The use of [ and ] in the above show the fragmentation of the Nag Hammadi documents when they were found. They were pieced back together using technology that could read the faded ink on other pages under them, and in references to these gospels in other known texts already discovered.

      Here, "appearing to them in the flesh" refers to the physical existence of a man who *realized* that we are spiritual beings NOT glued "forever" to a body, that the body is a temporary (and actually misguided) vehicle that goes on to be exchanged for yet another (in actuality, moment by moment), just as an insect sheds its skin for another. He appeared to them in the flesh, being an Enlightened One right there in their own reflection, and still they did not recognize themselves in him. His finding everyone to be "drunken" means that he found them all to be totally lost in conventional distraction, so much so that it was difficult trying to reach them to wake them up. "Not one thirsting among them" means that none of them were showing signs of *even* having an interest in learning their way out of their unconsciousness.


      "The sons of men" refers, by physics, to conventional *wisdom,*, or rather the lack thereof. "Sons" is the physics parallel to the young/Jung male offspring of themselves, meaning the earliest hints of their intelligence or reasoning. Jesus said "pained is my soul over the sons of men," meaning over his realizing that even in their most childlike ability to reason, they weren't *getting it!*

      "Blind in their heart and do not see" means un*balanced,* lacking their feeling, feminine, inherent *intuitive* Nature of androgyny.



      22: (29) ["... th]is poverty."
      (Cf. NHC II, 38: 31 - 39: 2)

      Myst: There is no poverty like the poverty of lacking the *realization* of one's very own inherent physics truth.

      Emptiness (of all distraction and projection) vs emptiness (impoverishment of one's own reality)!




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      Truly appreciate your interpretations Myst. Ty.
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      Default A few more sayings of Jesus from Nag Hammadi Library, Thomas Judas the Twin

      9 Jesus said, "Look, the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered (them). Some fell on the road, and the birds came and pecked them up. Others fell on rock, and they did not take root in the soil and did not produce heads of grain. Others fell on thorns, and they choked the seeds and worms devoured them. And others fell on good soil, and it brought forth a good crop. It yielded sixty per measure and 120 per measure."


      10 Jesus said, "I have thrown fire upon the world, and look, I am watching it until it blazes."


      11 Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

      "The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.

      "During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it alive. When you are in the light, what will you do?

      "On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two what will you do?"


      12 The followers said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?"

      Jesus said to them, "No matter where you have come from, you are to go to James the Righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

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      "When you become two what will you do?"
      Good food for thought Myst.


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      Ah, guess I'd strive to once again move back toward being one/One! That is, after fully realizing and accepting androgyny, and seeing it in everyone, everything, everywhere.

      And around and around we go, in this pulsating universe.

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      Default Some more translations into/of the Consciousness physics.

      9 Jesus said, "Look, the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered (them). Some fell on the road, and the birds came and pecked them up. Others fell on rock, and they did not take root in the soil and did not produce heads of grain. Others fell on thorns, and they choked the seeds and worms devoured them. And others fell on good soil, and it brought forth a good crop. It yielded sixty per measure and 120 per measure."

      Here, the "sower" is a teacher of Consciousness/Enlightenment, attempting to awaken the world of misguided convention. But his or her teachings were received according to how far people would allow themselves to go, or to how intelligent and open they were, in their learning processes. Some couldn't handle it at all, some were aggressive against it, others got a few bits and pieces of it selectively, or by happenstance, and others actually were interested and attended, and as a result, they progressed further in their realizations:

      "Some fell on the road, and the birds came and pecked them up. (Total misinterpretation, assimilation into conventional interpretation!) Others fell on rock, and they did not take root in the soil and did not produce heads of grain. (Adamant rock-hard refusal!) Others fell on thorns, and they choked the seeds and worms devoured them (Aggressive denial/exchange against the teachings/truth/insights). And others fell on good soil, and it brought forth a good crop (some heard, or wanted to hear, and attended)."

      "It yielded sixty per measure and 120 per measure."

      This would refer to the "two truths" of life, of the universe, and of ourselves. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the universe is an androgynous system of opposing forces, in an otherwise static, nonlinear (all-inclusive, everything already said and done) reality. Some people may get some of it, but others will get all of it, though genuine Enlightenment is very rare.

      10 Jesus said, "I have thrown fire upon the world, and look, I am watching it until it blazes."

      Here, he has exposed the world to the truth, and the first emotion and dynamic involved in that exposure is that people get really angry (angry enough to kill, obviously! Whatever it takes for them to protect their vested yet delusional/illusional interests). That anger comes from fear...of the unknown, of accepting that their lives have been based upon misinterpretation, that their god and community will strike vengeance against them, that because their minds suddenly are lost and don't know where to go otherwise they will lose their minds, into insanity, etc... It is safe to say that extremes of "exposure therapy" may not be the better way to go! It's just way too easy for large amounts of people to gang up together to advocate against the single perceived threat, and to rid themselves of that threat (within and without) to rush back to their comfort zones!


      11 Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

      This refers to the immediate Now. If you hold your hands up in front of you, as if you are getting ready to applaud, you can see that everything that passes through that space is the grasp-able constant Now, but yet that Now is (seemingly, especially to a linear mindset) ever-changing. Like, a day is still a day, every day, and yet things change from one day to the next. This would also refer to the matriarchyXpatriarchy exchange. (See next.)

      "The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.

      In a nonlinear universe, everything is all already said and done, already fully accounted for. Where everything is is where everything will be. Translucently, we are all as congealed as we aren't.
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      "During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it alive.

      This is contradictory to what he just said above, and may be the result of not having microscopes, etc., then, to recognize microbial and microscopic (nano-scopic, sub-atomic) processes at that level, which are living processes ever-continuing to smaller and smaller dimensions otherwise unseen by humans. Spiritually, though, living creatures or plants that are eaten are assimilated into higher (to human) realizations, a higher, more lengthy spiritual journey. An appreciation of animals by vegetarians, expressed to non-vegetarians, in a debate, for instance, would apply here. This also could apply to the notion of bringing to life so much of what all else is available to people in life, such as higher Consciousness and all that it entails, that otherwise seems non-existent to an unconscious mind. The more one holds onto Universal Truth with awareness, the more the Universe from that perspective, and all its many dimensions, can be realized as genuinely existing. Another way of perceiving this is "during the days when you CONSUMED what is false," you breathed life into it, just as unconscious convention brings to life its assumed belief systems.


      When you are in the light, what will you do?

      Light (sun) is a masculine physics analogy to intelligence, awareness, wisdom, "aha!" So, what will you do when you are aware? In a universe of opposites/opposing forces, you will move toward the darkness. Darkness, however, has its own two truths, because its feminine, Yin nature is also one of intuition. In other words, there is no tangible proof of what is realized or intuited, but balance, at the much higher, far more refined level of reality, can only be held spiritually. This can be likened to a wormhole, or even a black hole, such that soooo much perfected alignment is happening that time and space have been removed. It's metaphorically like a whole lot of people (extreme intelligence in tiny, minute details) all trying to fit through a doorway all at once. It's not going to happen, space or time wise. There are so many extreme and complex, abstract *realizations* going on all at once at the pinnacle that there isn't enough human projected space or time to express them, so it all has to be intuited instead. That, in no way, makes it guesswork or false, but rather simply a dissolutionXassimilation (empathic alignment) of oneself into the translucent truth of it all! It is truly extraordinary there!

      "On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two what will you do?"

      Consciousness is the *realization* that you have been "two" all along, that everything is. We are both male and female, androgynous (made up of, and the Core of, opposing forces), no matter whether we overtly appear to be male or female. When you become Conscious, you become One, but that means a *realized* One, meaning that you have all your ducks in a row, that all of you are in complete agreement, within and without. You realize, also, your androgyny, that you are both Yin and Yang, just as is everything else in the Universe. But then, where do you go from there? You move to a *higher*expression/dimension of life, and you also realize and find *the middle way* between the two truths. And...you find yourself drifting back to being one (with a self, conventional life wise), again in search of *balance,* a return to the Core balance, or One. The pulsating universe.


      12 The followers said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?"

      Jesus said to them, "No matter where you have come from, you are to go to James the Righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

      James the Righteous is Jesus's brother, believed to be a full brother (as opposed to a half brother). James was the successor of Jesus who continued his teachings after Jesus was crucified. (James, himself, was later also killed for his teachings of Consciousness/Universal Truth!). Here, Jesus is analogically telling them to follow his, and their, intelligence, to continue toward the truth. In a perfect-most Universe, Nothing is happening. But Life (the Something) begins when Existence is born from that Nothing. Now the universe is projecting, itself that two (opposing forces) in search of that perfect-most One, or Core (perfected *balance,* aka Stasis). At least, that's how it looks to living beings. In reality, it has remained Static...nonlinear! Therefore, "heaven and earth came into being" because intelligence, awareness, came into being. This suggests that what began "it all" was that there was enough habituation within the Nothing that it began to become aware of itself, hence beginning the Something/Existence, the two truths.
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      If anyone is interested in the *exchange* between the matriarchy X patriarchy physics of the universe, you may find the following very helpful, and incredibly interesting:

      I read this fabulous BOOK years ago, when a professor friend was reading it and suggested it! - The Chalice and the Blade - Brilliant book!

      VIDEO to watch - Pyramid Code - A New Chronology (About Consciousness of very early ancients, and the cycling exchange.) The Pyramid Code series (of which this is the fifth episode) is not as much about pyramids as about the Conscious mindset of the world of those creating them.



      Edited to add that The Pyramid Code's "A New Chronology," which can be watched here and in the Pyramid Code thread I created earlier, beautifully demonstrates the cyclical nature of the matriarchyXpatriarchy of energies that underlies all that goes on in life, and especially in human and conventional understanding (and acting out) of life. While the book, "The Chalice and the Blade," will brilliantly pick you up and advance you further along in your *realizations* of just what all is really going on, this video documentary (from a televised series) will condense that book into one hour for you, and give you an incredible grasp of what all is really behind the 26,000 year/December 21, 2012 cycling as well.)

      The masculine and feminine, yang and yin, nature of the universe and of ourselves (and everything else going on) came from the ancient of all ancients realizing that the patterning of what is going on among the cosmos is the exact same underlying physics of themselves and everything taking place on Earth as well. Observed all along and ever since, it again and again proves itself accurate and true. Common sense, however elusive.
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      13 Jesus said to his followers, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."

      Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous messenger."

      Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."

      Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."

      Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

      And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him.

      When Thomas came back to his friends, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"

      Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and consume you."


      Question (from Myst): So, what do YOU suppose Jesus (as an Enlightened One) would have said to Thomas Judas the Twin when he took him aside?
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      In this above "saying of Jesus" (13)... Jesus most likely would have repeated the three expressions, or sentences, back to Thomas, because Jesus was constantly talking in reflective physics, and so he would have mirrored back to Thomas that Thomas is (was)... "like a right-eous (aka right-leaning) messenger," and "like a wise philosopher," and (calling Thomas his "teacher"), that his (Jesus') mouth is utterly unable to say what (Thomas) is (was) like." (At the pinnacle of truth, language disappears and there are no words, only that intuition that has to suffice for enormities of information all trying to fit through that same metaphorical doorway all at once.)

      Returning to the others, Thomas realized that if he were to tell them that HE, himself, was considered a "righteous messenger" and "wise philosopher" by (to them, of all people) Jesus, a "teacher" for Jesus who left Jesus speechless, the others, not understanding Universal reflection and needing Jesus to stay above all, in their minds at the time, would have stoned him (Thomas) out of anger (always the initial response to being exposed to *higher truth,* along with fear), and be consumed by their very own rage, meaning then, for sure, in that state of unbalance, they would certainly not be able to process what was attempting to be expressed by Jesus's "compare"ison topic.

      I'll add some more of "the sayings of Jesus" from the Nag Hammadi Library as soon as I get the chance.

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      14 Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits.

      "When you go into any region and walk through the countryside, when people receive you, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it is what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."


      15 Jesus said, "When you see one who is not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That is your father."


      16 Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to impose peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to impose conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: There will be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."


      17 Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."


      18 The followers said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."

      Jesus said, "Have you discovered the beginning, then, so that you are seeking the end? For where the beginning is the end will be. Blessings on one who stands at the beginning: That one will know the end and will not taste death."


      19 Jesus said, "Blessings on one who came into being before coming into being.

      "If you become my followers and listen to my sayings, these stones will serve you.

      "For there are five trees in paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death."
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      Quote Originally Posted by MystEerieUsOne View Post
      "...If the leaders say to you, "Look, the kingdom is in heaven,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you dwell in poverty, and you are poverty."
      I actually had posted this quote in some thread--I've long forgotten where--many months back (I think it was around early spring time). It's probably my favorite quote from the Gnostic Gospels.
      "Man is a mystery. It needs to be unravelled; and if you spend your whole life unravelling it, don't say you've wasted time. I am studying that mystery because I want to be a human being." -Fyodor Dostoevsky.

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